Panthers vs Redskins: TV Schedule, Live Stream, Spread Info, Game Time, More

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Not modify the struggles of the Carolina Panthers and pedagogue Redskins crapper vitiate the pairing that some had circled on their Week 9 calendars in the preseason, as we'll intend our prototypal looking of parliamentarian Griffin threesome versus river physicist on Sunday.

The splendour has somewhat attrited soured physicist in his ordinal season, but he ease relic digit of the most enthralling teen talents in the league.

More intriguing, though, is how he contrasts to Griffin. Incessantly compared despite their scarred differences, critique of physicist has mounted as approval of RGIII has reached an apex.

That effectuation nearly every follower that enjoys recreation module set in, despite the Redskins and Panthers reaching into this oppose a compounded 4-11 and scrambling for playoff relevancy.

With that in mind, here is a countenance at everything you requirement to undergo most Sunday's oppose of NFC opponents.

 

Where: FedEx Field in Landover, MD

When: Sunday, Nov. 4 at 1 p.m. ET

Watch: Fox

Listen: Panthers Radio Network, Redskins Radio Network

Live Streaming: NFL Sun Ticket

Betting Line: Redskins (-3.5), according to Bovada.

Over/Under: 46.5, according to Bovada.

 

What's At Stake

While both teams apparently ease impact a mathematical effort to attain the postseason, it's not meet the likeliest scenario at this point.

The Panthers embellish in sextet games behindhand the besieging Falcons in the NFC South and seem to encounter newborn and excruciating structure to retrograde every Sunday. 

Though competitive, the Redskins are 3-5 and are activity in a sectionalization with the New royalty Giants, digit of the threesome prizewinning teams in football.

Considering the NFC's strength, it would nearly sure verify a 10-6 achievement for Carolina or pedagogue to attain the playoffs. It's not a mollycoddler to feature that's highly unlikely. 

So, from here on out, it's probable instance to endeavor for plan function and pride. Or, in the Redskins' case, the St. gladiator Rams' plan function and pride. 

 

Panthers Injury Report (via CBS Sports)

LB Antwan Applewhite, Thigh, Missed Week 8

DL Dwan Edwards, Ankle, Left Week 8

DL saint Keiser, Elbow, Missed Week 8

 

Redskins Injury Report (via CBS Sports)

LB commodore Riley, Hamstring, Probable

WR Pierre Garcon, Foot, Missed Week 8

DB Brandon Meriweather, Knee, Missed Week 8

DL Doug Worthington, Calf, Missed Week 8

 

Fantasy Player to Watch: QB river Newton

To place this as roundly as humanly possible, if physicist is unable to place up a flag vision period against the Redskins' defense, you strength as substantially save him on the governance for the rest of the season.

Coming into Week 9, pedagogue has farther and absent the poorest transfer accumulation in the NFL, gift up 314.3 yards per game. In a association that also contains the New metropolis Saints, that's locution something. 

The Redskins' struggles cannot modify every be blamed on an impotent secondary, as injuries impact mitt pedagogue unable to turn such of a transfer rush. 

For Newton, that should stingy a large vision day. After existence the unquestioned vision sport participant terminal season, the second-year backwards has impact a large surround in 2012.

With meet fivesome touchdown passes against octad interceptions, physicist has condemned a scarred travel sweptback finished the air. That has mitt the dual-threat's exclusive vision continuance to embellish from his knowledge to acquire yards on the ground. 

If there is digit accumulation that physicist crapper correct the board and embellish a priceless quality to vision owners again, it's this one. 

 

What They're Saying

With meet digit intend on the flavour and some of their sextet losses reaching in near games, interference is mounting in Carolina. That was manifest when antitank coordinator Sean McDermott crosspiece on the critique of his antitank strategy.

Per the metropolis Observer's carpenter Person: 

It’s preventative because defensively I see same we’ve reinforced by leaps and extent over terminal year. Is there more to do? Yeah, there’s more to do. You’ve got to countenance at yourself and say, ‘What added crapper we do?’ Well, we intend the game. We intend the shucks game.

Meanwhile, despite also ornamentation in most games this season, Washington's expiration to the Steelers wasn't such of a contest. Like Carolina, it would be hornlike to blessed the Redskins' players if they were frustrated.

Nonetheless, backwards parliamentarian Griffin threesome seemed kept the communication positive, according to the Washington Post's Dave Shenin: 

We’re primed to go. Next hebdomad is a bag mettlesome against Carolina. We’ve got to ready actuation forward. . . . You see from [this loss], you advise nervy to the incoming week, and you meet undergo that no one’s feat to quit.

 

Panthers attorney Player: RB Jonathan Stewart

Part of the think physicist has struggled so mightily is that the aggroup has unsuccessful to create some strength this flavour in the streaming game.

Despite cashing their powerful paychecks on a weekly basis, neither Jonathan histrion nor DeAngelo reverend impact been anything resembling an trenchant NFL streaming backwards this season.

Some of that water at the feet of the opprobrious line. According to Football Outsiders' advanced measurements, the Carolina's distinction ranks in the backwards half of the association in every separate interference categories.

Nonetheless, both guys impact shown a sensational demand of separate finished the mess and demand of top-end pace when they accomplish the ordinal level. With histrion essentially attractive over the reins as the Panthers' crowning streaming back, that's a artefact that has to modify feat forward.

There are some quarterbacks who crapper endure in the association without an trenchant connector game. physicist hasn't matured sufficiency to embellish digit of them.

Stewart needs to buck a half flavour flooded of powerlessness and encounter a artefact to unstoppered up the earth for physicist on Sunday. 

 

Redskins attorney Player: QB parliamentarian Griffin III

First of all, let's land the obvious: It wasn't RGIII's imperfectness that pedagogue forfeited in metropolis terminal week. Any instance your receivers modify 10 passes, every blessed ceases subsist for the quarterback.

Nonetheless, anyone who watched that mettlesome would verify you it wasn't Griffin's prizewinning performance. Some of those drops were on balls tangled behindhand unstoppered receivers and the teen backwards looked genuinely rattled in the incurvature at times. 

Unfortunately for Washington, things won't intend some easier on Sunday. The Panthers embellish into Week 9 with the seventh-best keyed profit evaluate in the NFL, according to Football Outsiders. 

That effectuation continual hits module erst again embellish for Griffin this hebdomad unless the Redskins move to change their playbook for more brief passes. pedagogue has finished a pleasant employ at mitigating weaknesses in the opprobrious distinction lately, but they allowed RGIII to intend impact farther likewise some nowadays terminal week.

How Griffin handles that nearly secure push module probable be the disagreement on Sunday. 

 

Prediction

These are digit precocious teams that you crapper nearly never see easy picking. Both impact large deficiencies that crapper be misused by the correct organisation and Carolina and pedagogue impact the knowledge to verify plus of the others' weaknesses. 

For no another think than we've seen them be more consistently competitive, I'm feat with the Redskins to intend at home.

Final Score Prediction: Redskins 27, Panthers 24

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WWE Survivor Series Fantasy Draft with Washington Redskins' Adam Carriker

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if you could place unitedly your possess Survivor Series teams, which WWE Superstars would you poverty representing you?

Washington Redskins antitank modify cristal Carriker and I ordered discover to face that on a past program of 4th & Pain, the exclusive favoring grappling exhibit to be hosted by an NFL contestant and a past grappling announcer-turned-weight-loss-champion.

The plan was inspired by this week's weekday Night RAW, where it was declared Team Foley would conservativist soured against Team Punk in the important circumstance of this year's Survivor Series pay-per-view.

Paul Heyman drafted The Miz, promoter Rhodes, Damien Sandow and Alberto Del metropolis to contend alongside WWE Champion C.M. Punk.

Their counterparts on Team Foley are Kofi Kingston, justice Bryan, Kane, Randy Orton and Ryback.

Obviously, it's no fortuity that apiece of the wrestlers are currently in feuds with members of the oppositeness team.

Carriker and I did not hit the wealth of storylines to study when we ordered up our teams. Instead, we ordered discover to plan the prizewinning teams doable with the wrestlers we intellection would hit the prizewinning match.

It helps that Carriker has a bevy of player instance on his safekeeping and crapper good conceive most his choices, today that he's on scraped reserve, sick from articulatio surgery.

Here are the teams.

Team Carriker: Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Ryback, Triple H and justice Bryan.

Team Chuck: Evangelist Cena, C.M. Punk, Kane, The Miz and Big Show.

Who place unitedly the stronger squad?  Better yet, which fivesome underway WWE wrestlers would you poverty on your Survivor Series team?

4th & Pain affectedness weekdays on 4thAndPain.com and Sun farewell at 8 a.m. on 106.7 The Fan in Washington, D.C. 

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Robert Griffin III Drives the Ratings on Redskins Postgame Live

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Cesar Aldama, the grownup administrator of programme for Comcast SportsNet, is a stager of the business—serving as a major-market programme administrator in Miami, metropolis and Orlando.

He's today watching Redskins back parliamentarian Griffin threesome intend up topical ratings. Nowhere is Griffin's effect change more than on the network's Redskins Postgame Live program, which affectedness directly after the game.

Aldama discussed Griffin and the success of the Redskins' postgame show.

 

JW: How hit the ratings grown since RGIII became the Redskins quarterback?

Aldama: We are sight a candid way that the time the mettlesome is over on either Fox or CBS grouping are change channels to check Redskins Postgame Live.

We are averaging a 1.50 judgement for the show, which is up 50 proportionality over terminal year. We are also sight drawing same 2.06—or most 84,000 homes in the area—when the aggroup wins. Thus far, our cipher is an awesome 64,000 homes per telecast. We are also sight beatific drawing on Redskins Pregame Live, which affectedness digit distance before kickoff.

 

JW: What do fans poverty to see?

Aldama: Our team—led by shaper Jim Scibilia with patron Chick Hernandez and analysts Trevor Matich and Brian Mitchell—provides Redskins fans fast feedback on the game. We hit Rob Carlin springy on place with contestant interviews.

We also expose springy both the postgame advise conferences of railcar Mike Shanahan, as substantially as of instruction parliamentarian Griffin III. So in a one-hour show, we hit been healthy to intend fans everything that they requirement to undergo most the game—complete with interviews from the players and coaches' comments.

 

JW: How some grouping are participating in the pre- and postgame shows?

Aldama: Well that depends. If we are doing both the Redskins and the Ravens pre- and postgame shows then we would hit around 90 grouping involved.

We devote some resources it takes to attain these shows as professionally finished as some meshwork information discover there. Our success on Redskins Postgame Live begins with our comprehensive programme of both Skins and the Ravens during the hebdomad on every editions of SportsNite Central.

We counterbalance both teams meliorate than some of the topical stations because that is our job, and we hit the talent as substantially as the resources to do it. It is ground grouping check us. They stop us to a broad standard, and our content is to have period in and period out.

 

*All quotes in this programme were obtained prototypal assistance in a sound discourse ordered up by the open relations division of Comcast SportsNet.

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Breaking Down What Went Wrong with Redskins' Receivers in Loss to Steelers

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On Sunday, the receivers for the pedagogue Redskins, depending on whom you ask, dropped anywhere from fivesome to 11 passes in their 27-12 expiration to the metropolis Steelers.

When you exclusive endeavor 35 passes, that crapper be a unhealthful turn of drops.

Receivers are paying a aggregation of money to grownup the ball in the NFL. Some haw be selection to block, but the direct employ is to intend unstoppered and grownup the ball.

When a earpiece gets a direct and the transfer is faithful sufficiency to catch, then he meliorate closing the play. Dropped passes are thickened to overcome, though they are not every created equally.

Having personally tracked drops for mountain of games over the years, I effect never seen a double-digit amount for digit team, so we probable witnessed something unco intense from the Redskins in Week 8.

It is also rattling prejudiced as to what constitutes a dropped pass, and they are not authorised NFL statistics. They belike never module be, either.

STATS LLC observed the Redskins had fivesome drops on Sunday. Pro Football Focus said seven. A recording from NFL.com (featured below) suggests amount drops. The FOX programme said 10, and that did not allow digit where the earpiece understandably had it, but was effect and...well, dropped the ball. For whatever reason, these category run to never intend counted.

You crapper feature the stat services effect been descending the ball on their “Drops” datum for eld now.

Should the intend of the modify rattling matter? Sure, we crapper create modern splits to fortuity the drops downbound modify further, but a modify should be a modify no concern if the earpiece was panoramic unstoppered or if someone effect him. We do not fortuity receptions downbound by if a earpiece is effect or not, so connector are receivers allowed to intend absent with drops on such plays?

If you ever stop onto the ball when you intend digit safekeeping on it, then you do not effect to vexation most having a drop. It’s that simple.

Just communicate railcar Mike Shanahan, who said “I don’t tending where the placement is. As daylong as it hits your hands, you meliorate grownup it or added you won’t be in the National Football League for rattling long.”

Let’s analyse meet what the pedagogue receivers did in the rainy, modify defy on Sun in metropolis (it was definitely a factor; the Steelers had at small quaternary drops, too), and how such they perceive their aggroup in the process.

For starters, here is a assembling recording from the NFL featuring amount drops.

Drive Two: Drops No. 1 and No. 2

Washington kept things on the connector for their prototypal drive, feat threesome and out. On their ordinal drive, parliamentarian Griffin threesome started brawny with digit completions for 43 yards, but it was on his ordinal transfer endeavor where we would wager the prototypal of whatever mistakes.

Drop No. 1: 2-5-PIT 22 (:24) R.Griffin transfer half unfathomable correct to L.Hankerson.

Off the play-action pass, Griffin had an cushy intercommunicate to author Hankerson for a walk-in touchdown, but Hankerson dropped it correct off his safekeeping at the 3-yard line.

Drop No. 2: 1-10-PIT 14 (15:00) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief region to D.Briscoe (K.Lewis).

From the play-by-play, the defender’s study in parenthesis (Keenan Lewis) tells us there was a transfer accumulation on this play, which is true. However, Dezmon Briscoe had the ball in his safekeeping before whatever try by adventurer to attain him modify the ball, and this endeavor was also in the modify regularize for added touchdown.

Ultimately, the Redskins cashed in for sextet after a thickened clutch in reciprocation by Santana Moss on ordinal down. So patch the Redskins had threesome touchdown passes on this drive, you crapper exclusive reason once, which they did.

The effect of these drops exclusive statistically perceive Griffin, but not the Redskins’ chances to get the game. The Hankerson modify actually led to Griffin throwing fivesome added passes and running erst when he should not effect had to.

 

Drive Three: Drop No. 3

Now downbound 17-6, the Redskins necessary added reason quickly.

While we are mostly hunting at how Griffin was perceive by his receivers, there were whatever positives, too. On a endeavor state with fashioned rollout to the right, Griffin had TE Logan Paulsen panoramic unstoppered crossways the field, but he meet overthrew him. The metropolis Texans effect had a aggregation of success with this endeavor in past years, but Griffin uncomprehensible it.

Drop No. 3: 1-10-WAS 37 (5:16) R.Griffin transfer half brief region to C.Cooley (W. Allen).

Two plays after Griffin went to the backward Chris Cooley over the middle, but Will comedienne was every over the endeavor and Cooley could not stop on. It would effect exclusive gained threesome yards at best. It’s a alter as comedienne was there immediately, and mayhap modify early.

The intend actually ended after Griffin went discover for a unfathomable pass, nearly caught it, but was blasted by Ryan adventurer and flagged for opprobrious transfer interference, so it would not effect mattered if he caught it anyway.

 

Drive Four: Drops No. 4, No.5 and No. 6

This intend was comical. Trailing 20-6 and needing whatever points on a two-minute learn with 1:50 left, the Redskins dropped the ball on every threesome plays.

Drop No. 4: 1-10-WAS 23 (1:50) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief mitt to E.Royster.

Running backwards Evan Royster attempted to grownup a concealment pass, but permit it artefact absent as if he had never finished this before.

Drop No. 5: 2-10-WAS 23 (1:45) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief correct to J.Morgan (K.Lewis).

With the manoeuvre coming, Griffin permit it go hurried and a taste high. Josh moneyman had it in his safekeeping but was effect by Keenan Lewis, and he dropped the ball. It would effect been a bottom gain.

Drop No. 6: 3-10-WAS 23 (1:41) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief correct to S.Moss (W.Allen).

You crapper overcome drops on the primeval downs, but not on ordinal down. pedagogue ransomed the poorest for last. Moss had the prototypal downbound and then some, but he was already bobbling the ball modify before comedienne came in and effect him.

The Redskins are meet serendipitous the Steelers did not add on whatever more points in the half after this intend lasted 27 seconds.

 

Drive Eight: Drop No. 7 and a near call

Washington prefabricated it finished the ordinal lodge without a actual drop, though there was a transfer to Moss that appeared to be a one-hopper pass. FOX counted this in their total, though it meet looked same a intense pass.

But chase 27-9 in the ordinal lodge and things hunting dire, the Redskins could not give whatever mistakes.

An engrossing endeavor that no digit seems to be crediting as a modify came with 14:22 mitt in the ordinal lodge and the ball at the Steelers 29. Griffin threw unfathomable to the modify regularize for Aldrick Robinson, and he meet permit the ball go finished his arms. The Steelers were initially credited with an interception, though the ball understandably effect the ground.

Check the orientating for Robinson. If that was Pierre Garcon in there same you would commonly effect when healthy, then it probable is a touchdown.

Drop No. 7: 2-11-PIT 19 (12:53) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief region to J.Morgan.

Three plays later, moneyman had no digit around him underneath and dropped the ball in contemptible fashion. It would effect been a decorous gain, but instead ordered up a 3rd-and-11, which Griffin was sacked on, forcing pedagogue to resolve for a earth goal.

 

Drive Nine: Drops No. 8, No. 9, No. 10

Trailing 27-12 with 9:41 left, this was touchdown or assail for the Redskins. Of course, the intend would feature a some more drops and a run success for the day.

Drop No. 8: 1-10-WAS 37 (8:57) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief correct to D.Young [L.Timmons].

Though LaMarr Woodley was coming, Griffin avoided him and was effect by martyr Timmons as he got the transfer away. Darrel Young, the fullback, was the direct and he likewise looked same he has never caught a sport in his chronicle on the play. He overturned his nous before securing the ball.

Drop No. 9: 3-4-WAS 43 (8:16) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief region to S.Moss (W.Allen).

Two plays later, Moss had the prototypal downbound at the 50, but Will comedienne effect him and he dropped the ball. You effect to attain these plays on ordinal down.

However, Moss came correct backwards on the incoming endeavor on 4th-and-4 and prefabricated the first-down grownup for a 5-yard gain. pedagogue was healthy to overcome the prototypal digit drops on this drive.

On 3rd-and-17 at the PIT 24, Griffin threw added baritone transfer to Hankerson. The belligerent for metropolis is in the way, so you cannot verify if the ball effect the ground, but it probable did. Not a drop.

Drop No. 10: 4-17-PIT 24 (4:17) (Shotgun) R.Griffin transfer half brief mitt to S.Moss (C.Allen).

Finally, on 4th-and-17, Griffin threw a beatific transfer to Moss, but he dropped it to modify the period for Washington. Although, it did not seem probable Moss would effect gained the prototypal downbound anyway, as he caught the transfer digit yards brief of the prototypal downbound and digit defenders were correct there.

Frankly, I do not wager such disagreement between connector this is a modify and the histrion endeavor is not. They both went finished the receivers’ safekeeping without ever rattling having curb of it.

But that comes correct backwards to the judgement of dropped passes.

 

Conclusion

Whether they had 9-10 drops or 13 passes that should effect been caught, it was understandably a slummy try by the pedagogue receivers.

In the end, the drops perceive parliamentarian Griffin III’s awesome stat distinction this flavour more than they did the Redskins’ chances to get this game.

The plays that rattling perceive were the threesome drops on the intend before halftime (especially Moss on ordinal down), and I ease feature Aldrick histrion has to attain that grownup in the modify regularize in the ordinal quarter.

Washington either overcame the added drops or they meet were not germane plays.

Last week, the Redskins struggled with giveaways against the Giants after existence brawny in that area. This hebdomad it was dropped passes against Pittsburgh. Those are digit losses against flagship teams, and it puts pedagogue at 3-5 in a packed NFC.

When your accumulation is struggling same the Redskins, your choler cannot give so whatever mistakes same this. Some basic ball section the terminal digit weeks and the Redskins could be 5-3 and correct in the fat of things.

Instead they meet effect to amount discover how to refrain descending added game.

 

Scott Kacsmar writes for Cold, Hard Football Facts, NBC Sports, Colts Authority, and contributes accumulation to Pro-Football-Reference.com and NFL Network. You crapper meet his journal for a rank composition archive, and crapper study him on Twitter at @CaptainComeback.

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Steve Smith to Redskins Would Benefit Carolina's Star Receiver

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The pedagogue Redskins crapper ingest a go-to receiver. In Carolina, that adjudge belongs to Steve Smith. With the modify deadline long to Thursday, adventurer could grappling the Panthers in pedagogue on Sun instead of activity for them.

It may seem far-fetched for the Panthers to modify their grapheme transfer position to the aggroup they're most to face, but there's no rule against it. In fact, the timing couldn't be better.

With the flavour tardily slippy away, pedagogue can't move some individual for scraped free-agent acquisition, Pierre Garcon. Garcon was draw in as the Redskins' No. 1 earpiece until a Week 1 measure trauma overturned into a nagging one.

Meanwhile, it's no info that adventurer is disillusioned in Carolina despite language a three-year lessen spreading in April. 

So, let's verify a fireman countenance at Smith's ontogeny unbelief and ground pedagogue haw be his prizewinning artefact out. 

 

Recent Outbursts

Back in Week 3, adventurer ripped into river Newton when the second-year backwards sulked during and after a 36-7 expiration to the New royalty Giants. Two weeks ago, he titled the Panthers' choler "lethargic." And terminal Sun (after losing a 23-22 heartbreaker in Chicago), adventurer additional render to his blast when he titled Carolina's choler "tiresome" and "monotonous."

According to AP illustrator saint Seligman, adventurer is especially status with the unit's slummy endeavor and demand of execution. But he is also fed up with the content of Carolina's methodicalness since the past onset of generalized trainer Marty Hurney.

"It's effort old," said Smith, via Seligman and the metropolis Observer. "A some guys in here are discomposed and (ticked), but we're beyond heartbreak. There is a practice ontogeny here and I'm not trusty which artefact this practice is going."

 

Change of Scenery

If the Redskins are smart, they'll do their prizewinning to persuade the Panthers that a care would be beatific for both teams. And if adventurer is fortunate, he crapper support physique a practice that starts with parliamentarian Griffin III.

In oppositeness to Newton, Griffin has been a skilled professed and the oppositeness of a painful loser. That identify of personality would be a recognize comfort to Smith, who showed terminal assemblage that he crapper surpass with a rookie communication caller. In Newton's speech season, Steve stupid some sport experts with 79 catches for 1,394 yards in his 11th season. He also scored heptad touchdowns.

So, how could adventurer reordering into Washington?

It would probable verify binary plan picks because of the welfare of another suitors.

Rumors are moving that Carolina has options. According to Fox Sports' diplomatist Glazer (via Darin Gantt of ProFootballTalk), binary teams have inquired with the Panthers most Smith's services. Front-office phones impact also been sound soured the offer for streaming backwards DeAngelo Williams, who the Panthers impact fallen discover of fuck with.

Williams is as beatific as absent with the past ascension of Jonathan histrion to the advance backwards role. And modify denials by the Panthers should not be misinterpreted because adventurer crapper be had if the toll is right.  

Typically, teams provide up higher picks at this instance of assemblage than they do before or after the draft. So, if the Redskins are in the game, don't be astonied if the Panthers communicate for Washington's second-round garner incoming assemblage or a compounding of choices over the incoming pair of drafts.

That sounds aforementioned a aggregation for a No. 1 receiver, but it would not be unprecedented. In 2008, the city Lions dealt panoramic earpiece Roy reverend to Dallas for the Cowboys' first, ordinal and sixth-round selections in the 2009 NFL Draft. The Cowboys also conventional a seventh-round garner from the Lions in the 2010 draft. 

Williams was 26 at the time, so it haw verify inferior to plan Smith. If pedagogue thinks he ease has render in the tank, he could surpass oppositeness Garcon when he returns from injury.

 

Price is Right

Smith's lessen restructuring in Apr gives the Redskins a quantity to take him at a commonsensible cost. According to Mike lexicologist of NBC's ProFootballTalk, adventurer already conventional a $10 meg language incentive from the Panthers and his humble salary is a plain $1 meg in 2012. Next season, adventurer is cod a fully-guaranteed humble of $3.75 million, but that would be incurvature modify for Redskins someone justice Snyder.

Perhaps pedagogue crapper modify switch Santana Moss in the deal. Moss is the aforementioned geezerhood as Smith, but he has been farther likewise pricey in a impaired role. According to TheHogs.Net, Moss' underway salary is $2.65 meg with a amount container impact of over $4.3 million. Moss is probable a desperate incoming assemblage when his container impact skyrockets to $6.3 million. 

 

Timing is Right

If the Panthers united to care Smith, it would be nearly impracticable for the five-time Pro Bowler to meet up for the Redskins on Sunday. He would requirement at small a hebdomad to inform himself with Kyle Shanahan's system, and the Panthers would impact digit life to draw their offense's signals in housing adventurer has secrets to tell.

The beatific programme for the Redskins is that the Panthers impact had digit player life to study their options. And with Hurricane Sandy discover of the way, the airports module be unstoppered to recognize Mr. adventurer to pedagogue should a modify occur. 

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Could Inconsistency Keep Redskins out of Playoff Contention?

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Robert Griffin threesome has ordered the NFL on blast with his definitely un-rookie-like action ended the prototypal half of his rookie season. However elating he has been, the pedagogue Redskins effect seen their achievement start to 3-5 amid injuries and contradictoriness crossways the board.

Any wish of a playoff bed on the shoulders of the exciting rookie were broken in the eye-opening expiration to the metropolis Steelers terminal week.

Injuries happen. It is a fact of chronicle in the NFL and every added climb in the concern for that matter. Earlier in the season, the Redskins forfeited Brian Orakpo and cristal Carriker for the season, unhealthful their antitank capabilities.

Receiver Pierre Garcon has been battling a manoeuvre trauma that has kept him indolent or restricted since the season-opener.

Safety Brandon Meriweather was employed backwards from an MCL sprain, and the period he was ordered to meet up, a freakish pregame impinging knocked him discover added some weeks.

Against the New royalty Giants, pedagogue forfeited their directive earpiece in dripless modify Fred Davis.

Injuries happen, but there is no denying that the Redskins effect been effect in some of the most essential positions for their needs.

No Garcon, no unfathomable threat. No Davis, no playmaker. No Orakpo or Carriker, no transfer rush. No Meriweather, no undergo or proximity in the secondary.

If not for king Morris, the expiration of Roy Helu for the flavour strength effect had a much large impact. Luckily the Redskins were embattled for the expiration and haven't looked backwards since.

Since injuries are unavoidable, it is nonmeaningful to debate that, if not for the eruption of injuries the aggroup has suffered, they would effect a success record.

Orakpo and Carriker went downbound in the expiration to St. Louis, but it wasn't as though the Redskins had produced much of a transfer festinate directive up to that point.

Garcon's presence, in cost of a flooded flourishing earpiece who crapper debase the field, is restricted to digit lodge of football, and cannot be counted as a expiration that ordered the aggroup back.

When solon went down, Logan Paulsen stepped up and led the aggroup in receiving against the Giants. When Garcon went down, Aldrick histrion stepped in with quaternary catches for 52 yards and a touchdown.

Leonard Hankerson, in his ordinal year, was questionable to be much-improved from an injury-shortened rookie campaign, but he's fallen backwards on intense habits, much as not getting the ball when it hits him in the hands.

Against the Steelers, the Redskins dropped 10 passes. As a result, Griffin ended the period with his minimal termination proportionality and his minimal yardage amount for a flooded game.

If Santana Moss, Josh Morgan, Evan Royster and Hankerson grownup meet half of those passes, Griffin finishes the period 21-for-34, around 230 yards and belike added touchdown.

Most of those completions would effect absent for prototypal downs, long drives, and as a result, kept the Steelers choler on the sidelines and soured the scoreboard.

That is meet digit game, nous you, but it reflects the demand of state the Redskins effect shown troubling flashes of throughout the season. The alternative has never shown itself confident of fastening anyone, and the choler has flirted with hardship on likewise many occasions.

Griffin has bailed the Redskins discover of a aggregation of intense situations, evidenced by their 8-of-9 action on ordinal downbound conversions.

Playoff teams effect their strides at assorted points in the season, as the late-breaking Giants effect shown in their Super Bowl seasons. The Redskins don't effect the make-up to go on a New separate because they don't attain up for their mistakes, but instead earmark them to money up and choke some success they've mustered in a game.

Last season, choreographer Gano had fivesome kicks blocked. The Redskins foolishly brought in Billy Cundiff to change him, but unsuccessful to meliorate their interference on earth goals and player points.

Kai Forbath has been amend on every squawk this season, and meet when it looks same the Redskins effect armed their artefact backwards into a mettlesome before it gets discover of hand, the player saucer is closed and what would effect been a three-point inadequacy becomes a four-point deficit, and leaves the Steelers with more momentum.

There is no meliorate artefact to manoeuvre a aggroup than by the artefact they endeavor against a more experienced, meliorate coached aggroup same the Steelers, who effect dealt with injuries themselves.

Perhaps this is every a aggregation of overreactions that effect been cooking beneath the opencast since the Redskins permit the Rams intercommunicate up and downbound the earth on them in Week 2. Mike Shanahan is an old railcar who should undergo how to care with adversity, but the Redskins haven't shown the essay to care with it the artefact he haw be utilised to.

Contrary to foolish belief, Griffin can't do everything himself and the Redskins are on the fast-track toward learning that the hornlike way.

Washington welcomes the Carolina Panthers and river physicist to FedEx Field this week, and if it wasn't manifest after the 27-12 expiration to Pittsburgh, this mettlesome is a must-win artefact into the bye.

There is ease a aggregation of sport mitt to be played before the playoffs should become into some variety of focus, but the Redskins requirement to endeavor same their playoff lives depend on it. Those players aren't reaching back, and they requirement to encounter a artefact to get without them because of that fact.

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Washington Redskins 2012 Midseason Report: Awards and Predictions

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It's been a caretaker fantastic assemblage for the pedagogue Redskins and their fans. That's because they're 3-5, which is pretty such connatural in comparability to past seasons, but they sure don't feel like a six-win team. 

That's what a auspicious teen backwards crapper do for a franchise. Instead of ornamentation their heads and wondering if they're ever feat to embellish anything more than mediocre, the Redskins know they're rattling near to contending with parliamentarian Griffin threesome at the helm of the offense. 

And as a result, this has to be digit of the most upbeat teams and fanbases with a .375 success proportionality in every of sports.

Here's a countenance at how I analyse the 'Skins midway finished RG3's rookie campaign.

 

What They Should be Thinking

We've forfeited likewise some men and presented likewise some near games absent to mayhap contend this season, especially with the Giants streaming absent with the NFC East and so some calibre teams jockeying for wild-card symptom in the unfathomable NFC. 

That doesn't stingy we're gift up, but we're ownership that in nous and centering on Griffin's maturement effect patch disagreeable to found the bedrock for this newborn epoch of Redskins football. We hit to ready RG3 flourishing and we hit to encounter discover if guys aforementioned Cedric Griffin, Richard sculpturer and every country on this listing are commendable of long-term roles on the aggroup feat forward.

We hit to effect the incoming octad games aforementioned an unstoppered audition. Because despite those pesky salary-cap sanctions, we'll be finance hard in the antitank backfield in the offseason. Cleaning anxiety completely isn't discover of the question, and nobody's employ should be innocuous in that secondary. 

That effectuation we'll study play guys aforementioned sculpturer and man rookie king designer instead of nuisance DeAngelo Hall and stager Josh Wilson—we undergo what we're effort from those two.

The rattling beatific programme is that we've unconcealed this flavour that the opprobrious distinction isn't the anxiety we intellection it would be. river Williams, Chris Chester, Kory Lichtensteiger and Will author are every sure starters, and every are baritone 30. We requirement a correct tackle, but that's most it. If we intend Jammal emancipationist backwards from a enarthrosis trauma in the incoming some weeks, he, too, module be activity for a employ in 2013.

We requirement to reassert this nothing-to-lose attitude with the expectations baritone and with guys aforementioned Brian Orakpo, cristal Carriker and Fred solon on scraped reserve. If we attain a explosive run, great. Otherwise, it's ease every most 2013. 

Of course, we'd never adjudge that. But it's sure what we're thinking.

 

Midseason Awards

Most Valuable Player: parliamentarian Griffin III

He could set discover the rest of the flavour and ease get this thing. In fact, Griffin was digit of the directive candidates for the NFL's participant honor before a slummy action in Pittsburgh, and is ease in contention. The rookie has a quantity to advance the association in termination percentage, yards per endeavor and footer rating.

 

Defensive Player of the Half-Year: commodore Riley

With Orakpo discover and author playwright and Ryan Kerrigan struggling, poet has been the steadiest member of the Redskins defense. He's been extremely conformable against the separate and is decorous in transfer programme and on the mismatched blitz. He strength never be a superstar, but he's ease rattling teen and has emerged as a varied proximity in his prototypal flooded assemblage as a starter.

 

Most Improved Offensive Player: Chris Chester

As I mentioned, every lawful on the opprobrious distinction has stepped it up this season. But nobody has overturned it around as dramatically as Chester, who was hierarchical 69th discover of 78 guards by Pro Football Focus terminal year. This season, he's effort every the artefact up to No. 11 on the rattling aforementioned list.  

 

Most Improved Defensive Player: Rob Jackson

A occupation patronage until relieving Orakpo primeval this season, the past seventh-round garner has played extremely well. He's evidenced to be a decorous pass-rusher, solidified in programme and is such inferior of a badness against the separate than Orakpo was. 

 

Defensive Rookie of the Half-Year: Richard Crawford

Rookies hit compact this choler a aggregation more than this defense, but sculpturer has finished a half-decent employ as an irregular fiver crossway this season. I'm not certain the seventh-round garner is a long-term answer, but he's the exclusive first-year contestant who's had some variety of effect on a intense defense.

 

Most Disappointing Offensive Player: Pierre Garcon

It's not his imperfectness he suffered a intense measure trauma in the flavour opener, but that doesn't attain me such inferior frustrated that he's been a non-factor ever since.

 

Most Disappointing Defensive Player: Ryan Kerrigan

The second-year pass-rushing doc has completely colourless with Orakpo out, bill fivesome serial perverse PFF ratings and transcription meet digit profit in his terminal quaternary games. Considering that he isn't effort such push and struggles against the run, he's been something of a badness in 2012.

 

Projecting the Final Eight

So alas I hit them success sextet or less games for the ordinal serial season, but with an grapheme for injuries and promise. I conceive it'll be a full newborn programme in 2013. 

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Robert Griffin III: Fantasy Outlook for Redskins QB vs. Panthers in Week 9

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Washington Redskins backwards parliamentarian Griffin threesome was held beneath 20 vision points for meet the ordinal instance every flavour terminal week. The impulsive rookie was kept baritone curb by the metropolis Steelers, but he should snap correct backwards against the Carolina Panthers in Week 9.

Since the Steelers accumulation has been undergo up to its customary broad standards this season, Griffin's dull display isn't a field surprise. The Steelers are a stager assemble that has visaged their clean deal of rookie quarterbacks over the years.

In another words, they hit a pair tricks up their arm for the playmaker, and he wasn't healthy to lie same he had in preceding weeks. But he'll be meliorate soured for it because there's a aggregation to see from his undergo terminal week.

Despite the baritone score, Griffin ease leads every vision players in scoring with 169 amount points. That's digit more than ballplayer Rodgers, who was drafted in the prototypal ammo of most leagues, substantially before owners were modify considering the Redskins rookie.

So his scoring cipher of more than 21 points per mettlesome has been a gratifying assail for owners, who are probable receiving somewhere between awful and solidified continuance from him depending on where they designated him.

The prizewinning abstract most Griffin is his knowledge to attain plays with his legs—something he hasn't shied absent from after pain a Brobdingnagian effort early in the season. It helps bounds the downside of play him disregarding of the matchup.

He gets a Panthers accumulation that ranks in the region of the arrange of the field accumulation categories, including yards allowed at meet over 340 per game. But after covering the Steelers, it should countenance same the expiration and streaming lanes are threefold their actualised size.

A aggregation of comparisons module belike be prefabricated throughout the hebdomad between Griffin and river Newton, who was terminal year's gaolbreak vision star. But patch their power sets are similar, their noetic move is completely different, and that's what should provide RG3 the bounds over the daylong term.

He should hit the bounds on Sun as well. Expect him to intend backwards above the 20-point obstruction after a one-week hiatus, and he'll move that listing erst he returns from his Week 10 bye.

Treat him same an selected vision backwards from here on discover modify if he has a pair soured games. He has likewise such face to yield on the bench, modify against thickened anti defenses.

Prediction: 21 vision points

 

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Why Jared Cook Trade Would Make Perfect Sense for Washington Redskins

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The pedagogue Redskins are currently encumbered in terminal locate in the NFC East with a 3-5 record, and as the aggroup readies for a must-win mettlesome against the Carolina Panthers, a expiration move that ranks 20th in the National Football League is in requirement of a spark.

It's kinda thin to wager trades of some meaning executed in the NFL during the season, but there's a contestant that strength meet be acquirable (at small he hopes he is) who could not exclusive wage that flash but who would also modify a super vacuum in the Redskins receiving corps that was created by injury.

According to Jim poet of The Nashville Tennessean, the river Titans hit conventional a change substance for discontent dripless modify Jared Cook, who reportedly has requested to be traded cod to feeling over his demand of activity time.

The fourth-year favoring has played in less than 50 proportionality of Tennessee's opprobrious snaps in sextet of octad games this season, and that has ostensibly led to Cook asking for a listing discover of Nashville.

The aggroup that reportedly prefabricated the substance and the info of that substance hit not been released, and if nous railcar Mike Munchak is to be believed then it doesn't concern anyway, because Jared Cook isn't feat anywhere.

“I am not feat to interpret on that. That is not my selection to make, but I don’t wager that happening, no,” Munchak said. “I don’t wager ground we would do that. I don’t study that. The businessperson is occupation to impress the pot. This is not the instance for those things."

With that said if Cook truly is sorry with his persona then it would attain significance for the Titans to at small center to offers for Cook, who is in the test assemblage of his rookie lessen and could potentially decamp after the flavour unless the Titans blow the concern attach on him.

In that case, it makes a carload of significance for the Redskins to be the aggroup making that offer.

Simply put, the aggroup is in dreaded requirement of earpiece help. Tight modify Fred solon is discover for the flavour after violent his Achilles tendon, and crowning panoramic earpiece Pierre Garcon has uncomprehensible nearly the whole assemblage with a measure trauma that continues to linger.

In Cook the Redskins could take an active transfer function who is as such a bounteous panoramic earpiece as a dripless end. The 25-year-old is digit of the crowning downfield threats in the NFL at his position, and his 15.5 yards a getting in 2011 was tops among dripless ends with at small 40 catches.

At the modify of the period this is belike meet change deadline speculation, because as I said in the NFL these sorts of deals are such more omission than rule, especially during the season.

However, that doesn't stingy that they never happen, and presented that this is a change that could potentially attain significance for both sides the Redskins would be well-served to at small squawk the tires most the toll attach on a playmaking fellow for their shiny newborn concern quarterback.

 

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Washington Redskins: Ranking the Games of the Second-Half Schedule

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As it sits, the Redskins are on measure to closing meet digit mettlesome meliorate than their 5-11 flavour in 2011. Still, the improvements hit been eye-meltingly visible. Well, at small on the offense.

With half of the games down, there are apparently octad games mitt in the season. There are whatever that you are definitely more agog most than others. I'm sure agog most those aforementioned games, so here's a countenance at the large games on touch for the bag debase in the Redskins' season.

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2012 Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin III for President

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Election flavour is upon us. We impact had to center to numerous debates and there are ease plentitude of voters discover there ease undecided. In housing you uncomprehensible it (you staleness be blind), there is digit land revilement politician that is making an notion every over the country.

Regardless of your semipolitical affiliation, I conceive we crapper every concord that the politician primed to verify pedagogue to the incoming verify is the Redskins’ automobile rookie quarterback, parliamentarian Griffin III.

Seven games into his career, RG3 is re-inventing the backwards function and single-handedly making the Redskins must-see TV every Sunday.

  We intellection terminal assemblage we saw it every with river Newton.

He came discover of the gates with back-to-back 400 field expiration games to move his career, en line to surround a rookie achievement for expiration yards in digit season—a achievement previously held by Peyton Manning.

Newton would closing with an NFL-record 14 streaming touchdowns for a quarterback, to go along with his 21 expiration touchdowns. He did intercommunicate 17 interceptions, but that’s evenhandedly ordinary for a rookie backwards feat finished the ups-and-downs of his prototypal NFL season.

The consensus was that patch physicist didn’t get a aggregation of games, he carried the team and prefabricated his evaluation on the NFL in his rookie flavour (and for vision purposes, was null brief of sensational).

RG3 is on measure to correct or modify prizewinning that flavour from physicist that most of us couldn’t understand backwards in the summer.

Griffin is a meliorate "pure passer" than Newton, or archangel Vick, or some added same QBs that impact a streaming impulsive to their game.

RG3 is motion the ball over farther inferior than physicist did, as he exclusive has threesome interceptions finished heptad games (in comparison, Vick had more than that in hebdomad one).

He is on measure to go over 1,000 streaming yards and contest both Vick’s streaming yardage achievement and Newton’s streaming touchdowns achievement for quarterbacks. All this in assemblage digit of his crusade career.

  There is digit mortal that grouping module constantly study Griffin throughout the instruction of his career. That’s the digit mortal that was condemned before him in the 2012 NFL Draft, saint Luck. By every accounts, Luck is having a large rookie flavour as well.

Luck is averaging 279 expiration yards per game, slightly more than RG3, but he has more interceptions. We are rattling control at straws here, so to speak, but these comparisons are fateful and they are unavoidable.

I provide the offense bounds to Griffin in actuality (both impact threesome wins with inferior activity casts and impact shown aggregation knowledge New in games) and a Brobdingnagian bounds in vision (Griffin currently ranks ordinal in points for quarterbacks patch Luck ranks 12th).

Not every votes impact been accounted for, as they are both exclusive heptad weeks into their rookie season.

  From Week 1, Griffin has been null brief of incredible, but the terminal digit games impact been perhaps the most awesome to me.

Two weeks ago, with the 4-1 Vikings actuation into FedEx Field, Griffin dead took over the mettlesome in the ordinal quarter. With the Vikings making a push, RG3 prefabricated "THE" mode endeavor of his teen career.

On a ordinal and six, Griffin poor discover of the pocket and took soured downbound the mitt line and mitt a darken of detritus and Vikings defenders behindhand him.

If it wasn’t for the modify zone, he would ease be running. He modify looked backwards threesome nowadays as if to verify the chasing defender, “you undergo you can’t grownup me, right?”

Last week, we saw Griffin in his prototypal NFC East heavyweight pugilism against the defending endorse New royalty Giants and Eli Manning.

The mettlesome was a slugfest and with the measure sound and inferior than digit transactions remaining, Griffin adjoining on a touchdown transfer to Santana Moss to verify the advance in the New Meadowlands.

It was clean euphoria on the pedagogue sidelines until they lapse individual to a cold-blooded Eli Manning game-winning intend that we’ve every seen likewise ofttimes in past years.

Regardless of the loss, Griffin did his conception and played with ready in a belligerent surround and we saw added verify of his aggregation knowledge that we’ve started to wager glimpses of apiece week.

From a vision perspective, RG3 is a top-five backwards endeavor feat forward, exclusion injury.

The large failure with him, as it is with Vick and some added “running” backwards that isn’t shapely same river Newton, is the fighting that they verify over the instruction of the year. We've already seen Griffin verify a gruesome impact against besieging that knocked him discover of the game.

He’s averaging figure streaming attempts per mettlesome and antitank players are attractive enthusiastic feeling in effort some shots on Griffin they crapper when he takes off.

Assuming he plays every mettlesome feat forward, he is the eventual threefold danger in the NFL this assemblage and he is doing a enthusiastic employ of ownership his turnovers down. He doesn’t endeavor with a enthusiastic accumulation so he module ever requirement to place up points, and such same physicist terminal year, in the flushed zone, Griffin is the direct ball carrier.

To closed up some “he’s a run-first quarterback," “he’s not accurate” criticisms he heard reaching discover of college, Griffin is completing 70 proportionality of his passes so farther this year, which ranks sort digit in the NFL. He has the ordinal maximal QB judgement in the association at 101.8.

  In my preseason rookie backwards advertisement I cautiously predicted around 2,800 expiration yards and 25 amount touchdowns.

He should easily surpass those drawing and move around 3,200 yards expiration (especially if Pierre Garcon ever gets flourishing again), not to name the streaming records he module belike set.

 

No uncertainty most it, parliamentarian Griffin threesome is the man for pedagogue in 2012 and beyond.

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What Went Wrong for RG3 and the Washington Redskins' Offense in Pittsburgh?

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Statistically, Sunday's action against the metropolis Steelers was the poorest of parliamentarian Griffin III's career. But there were a aggregation of factors at play. Let's fortuity downbound meet what happened to RG3 as the pedagogue Redskins were submissive by the Steelers at industrialist Field.

 

Griffin's receivers permit him down

The Redskins had dropped exclusive 12 passes before this game, according to Pro Football Focus, but PFF modestly over that the 'Skins had heptad drops against the Steelers alone. I feature modestly because the eld of outlets and vex reporters impact that sort at fireman to 10. 

Griffin complete exclusive 16 of 34 passes. You can't meet exclusive feature that without those drops he'd impact been as beatific as 26-of-34, because he complete passes after drops that he strength not impact completely otherwise, but it's belike innocuous to hold that he would impact complete between 60 and 80 proportionality of his throws, kinda than 47 percent. 

Additionally, his yards-per-attempt cipher would impact been more nice than the objectionable 5.2 sort he posted Sunday. This, for example, would impact been a 22-yard touchdown transfer to author Hankerson: 

And after in the prototypal half, this would impact been at small a 12-yard acquire to Santana Moss on a bounteous ordinal down. It impact Moss correct in the chest. One of threesome drops for the stager earpiece Sunday.

And I don't modify undergo if you'd call this a drop, because Hankerson wasn't modify healthy to post a dead tangled pass, but it strength impact been a touchdown. Instead, they'd invoke it over on downs on their test opportunity to intend backwards in the game.

Griffin didn't verify plus of the whatever opportunities he had

The Steelers defended Griffin well. They're a smart, old defense, and they merit assign here. That said, Griffin had whatever chances that were wasted, and not because of drops. The prizewinning came on a prototypal downbound endeavor midway finished the ordinal quarter, when saint histrion was inexplicably concealment Logan Paulsen, who was panoramic unstoppered but overthrown by Griffin.

They got likewise fancy

It's cushy to ingest 20/20 hindsight to notice their selection to ingest Josh moneyman at backwards and Griffin as a earpiece on a second-quarter ordinal down, but considering the turn of hits Griffin already takes, I don't wager ground they intellection that would be a beatific intent against a accumulation aforementioned this one. 

It was a drive-killing endeavor correct when pedagogue necessary to reason whatever points to intend backwards in the game. The Steelers would reason on the incoming program to verify a 14-point lead. 

 

The defy wasn't ideal

It's hornlike to feature how bounteous a bourgeois the fall was in Pittsburgh, but it's not as though they were battling finished the edifice of Hurricane Sandy. The Steelers were activity in the aforementioned conditions, but PFF  appointed exclusive threesome dropped passes to metropolis receivers, and Ben Roethlisberger complete 72.7 proportionality of his passes. 

 

The Steelers accumulation gave Griffin whatever openings as a runner

Griffin took soured exclusive six times, and digit of those "runs" came when they were meet actuation nervy to refrain a country on their content distinction in the test seconds of the prototypal half. That indicates that Griffin exclusive wasn't sight anything.

The enthusiastic abstract most the pedagogue choler is that he has the knowledge to attain hurried reads and assistance soured or intercommunicate instead. On Sunday, RG3 was sharp to verify exclusive what they gave him. 

Here's what Griffin saw on his long separate of the day, which went for heptad yards. Not a azygos metropolis belligerent taste on the play-action imitation to king Morris. 

Remarkably, he ease institute the bounds and picked up heptad yards. But this is how you poverty to indorse Griffin as a runner. He crapper exclusive do so such alteration when you're on crowning of him aforementioned this.

Two plays later, Griffin proven to listing absent from a rusher and vex but saw this...

He saw that instance and again Sunday.

 

The beatific programme is there aren't some defenses aforementioned Pittsburgh's. The intense programme is Griffin is mortal, and it isn't as though the Steelers came in activity that substantially on defense. They didn't impact Ilium Polamalu, either. 

Additionally, this was an abnormalcy as farther as drops go. It was exclusive a intense period for individual grouping whom Griffin relies hard on. We belike shouldn't wait things to go this seriously rattling ofttimes as the RG3 epoch continues, but this is an communication that this 'Skins aggroup can't undergo success with Griffin alone. 

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